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Thio Li-Ann cancels on NYU

Citing ‘hostility’ & low enrollment in her classes:

A pity, I think.
I was looking forward to seeing how she came off debating issues in an environment where she can’t threaten to sue anyone who doesn’t agree with her online.

But please note she bailed out on them–

Also please note there was no ‘hostility’ there like that which caused her to call the police here, terrified for her life, after getting an email from a top poet/playwright/Singapore NAC Young Artist…

On the contrary, sounds like some were looking forward to discussing things with her.

Of course it’s also true they weren’t signing up for her classes…

Breaking: Dr. Thio Is Not Coming To NYU Law
Update: Official NYU statement now available.

Details are still sketchy, but word on the street is that Dr. Li-ann Thio will not be coming to NYU Law School this fall. It appears that Dr. Thio has voluntarily decided not to serve as a visiting professor.

As many of you know, Dr. Thio has been heavily criticized by some in the NYU community (and beyond) for the allegedly anti-gay views she professed as a member of Singapore’s Parliament. But up to this point, Dr. Thio has enjoyed the support of Dean Richard Revesz and the NYU administration.

We previously reported that early returns showed low student registration for Dr. Thio’s classes this fall. A petition protesting her appointment garnered over 800 signatures. It’s too early to tell if any of this affected her decision to withdraw.

We will let you know when we receive official word from the law school or Dr. Thio.

UPDATE: The official announcement is now available. Check it out after the jump.

From: Office of the Dean
Date: Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: Visiting Global Law Professor Li-Ann Thio

TO: NYU School of Law Community

FROM: Richard Revesz

RE: Visiting Global Law Professor Li-Ann Thio

DATE: July 22, 2009

I am writing to let you know that Professor Li-ann Thio informed me today that she is canceling her Fall visit to NYU School of Law as a Global Visiting Professor, explaining that she was disappointed by the hostility of some members of our community to her views regarding homosexuality and gay rights, and by the low enrollments in her classes. The Law School will therefore cancel the course on Human Rights in Asia and the seminar on Constitutionalism in Asia, which she had been scheduled to teach.

As I observed on July 9 in an earlier statement, this issue brings two of our core values–academic freedom and a commitment to non-discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation–in tension with each other. On the one hand, NYU is fully committed to the principle of academic freedom and intellectual diversity. The Hauser Global Law School Program–under the auspices of which Professor Thio was invited as a visitor for one semester–grew out of our early recognition that the practice of law has escaped the bounds of any particular jurisdiction, and that legal education must take account of the intertwined nature of legal systems. The program seeks to expose our community to legal scholars who come from and have been shaped by their experiences in different countries, regions, and cultures. Needless to say, the value of the program would be seriously diminished if the visiting scholars all thought of difficult legal issues in the same way. We can learn from these visitors, and–we hope–they can learn from us.

NYU is equally committed to non-discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. NYU and the School of Law extended partner benefits to gay couples long before New York law mandated such benefits. In 1978, NYU Law School became the first law school in the United States to deny access to its career services to employers who discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation, a practice that the Association of American Law Schools would later require all accredited law schools to follow. We also were leaders in the suit brought by the Forum for Academic and Institutional Rights (“FAIR”) to challenge the Solomon Amendment.

Reasonable individuals can disagree about the relative importance of these values, as evidenced by the many thoughtful messages I have received over the last month regarding Dr. Thio’s appointment. I would like to take this opportunity to respond to some recurring questions I have received.

At the time that the faculty members voted on Professor Thio’s appointment, were they aware of the speech she made to the Singapore Parliament on October 23, 2007, forcefully arguing against the decriminalization of consensual sexual acts between men?

When the Global Appointments Committee met in December 2007 to recommend that the faculty vote a visiting appointment to Professor Thio based on her teaching and scholarship, none of its members was aware of the speech. The tenured and tenure-track faculty considered this recommendation during its meeting on January 30, 2008. I was not aware of her speech at that time, and I do not believe my colleagues were aware of it either.

Of course, an electronic search of her public statements would have produced the text of the speech. We did not conduct such a search in considering this appointment, and we have not conducted such searches in considering other appointments. Consistent with the norms of the legal academy, we generally limit our inquiry to the review of academic publications and works in progress, teaching evaluations, and reputation for collegiality.

Should the speech have played a role in the decision as to whether to invite Professor Thio to visit, had the faculty been aware of its existence?

The position taken in the speech should have been irrelevant to our evaluation of Professor Thio, although the argumentation supporting the position might properly have played a role in that evaluation.

Professor Thio’s position in that speech is inimical to the Law School’s position against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. Nonetheless, I do not believe that Professor Thio’s opposition to our institutional position should have played any role in our evaluation of her. Leading academic institutions benefit greatly from a diversity of perspectives, not from hiring only people who share the same views.

At the same time, our evaluation of Professor Thio’s strength as a scholar might have been usefully informed by an assessment of the analytic cogency and methodological integrity of the arguments and evidence she marshaled for her position. It would be up to the individual faculty member to determine what, if any, weight to give to the speech to Parliament in judging her as a scholar.

After becoming aware of the speech to Parliament, did NYU Law School ask Professor Thio to withdraw?

It did not.

Should the Law School have revoked the offer once it became aware of Professor Thio’s speech before Parliament?

Once the faculty extends an offer (whether visiting, tenure-track, or tenured) to a professor, it does not revisit that particular offer by continuing to evaluate the strength of the individual’s work. To engage in such continuous evaluation would place an unsustainable burden on the faculty. Such a practice would also undermine the legitimate reliance interest recipients have in their offers. Of course, subsequent work or subsequently discovered work can and does play a role in determining whether future offers are made to that individual.

Should the Law School have revoked the offer once it became aware of Professor Thio’s recent comments to our students?

In the last few weeks, a number of members of our community wrote to Professor Thio to convey their objections to her appointment as a visiting professor. She has indicated that she considers some of these messages to be offensive. In turn, she replied in at least one case in a manner that many members of our community–myself included–consider insulting and hurtful. These exchanges have been posted on various blogs. Members of our community have questioned whether Professor Thio’s statements create an unwelcoming atmosphere that would have prevented students in her classes from having an effective educational experience.

Determining when the academic freedom of a professor is superseded by the need to preserve a viable learning environment for his or her students requires a difficult, case-by-case judgment based upon context, the history of the relationship, and many other factors. But it would be an extraordinary measure, almost never taken by universities in the United States, to cancel a course on the basis of e-mail exchanges between a faculty member and a member of the student body. To do so would eviscerate the concept of academic freedom and chill student-faculty debate. Professor Thio’s withdrawal makes it unnecessary for us to engage in that inquiry.

Should an academic opposed to the recognition of certain important human rights be allowed to teach a human rights course?

An academic’s views on a substantive issue should be irrelevant to his or her suitability to teach a course in a particular area as long as the opposing views are treated fairly in the classroom: A proponent or opponent of the death penalty can be equally qualified to lead a seminar on capital punishment, for example. Any other stance by a university would be a serious affront to academic freedom, would lead to endless political litmus tests, and would greatly impoverish academic institutions, which gain so much from the robust discussion of controversial legal issues. Moreover, we need to recognize that values that might be widely shared in U.S. academic institutions can be highly contested in other countries, and that any serious global educational program, particularly one dealing with international human rights, must pay attention to these differences.

Undoubtedly, the issues raised by Professor Thio’s appointment are among the most difficult faced by academic communities. What are the limits of academic freedom? How should an institution with a proud tradition–as is the case of NYU Law School’s support of the LGBT community–interact with those who disagree strongly with such a tradition? My answers to the questions raised by our community will not be persuasive to everyone. I also stress that they are my personal views, not the consensus view of any decisionmaking body at the Law School. But situations such as these, despite the serious pain that they inflict, also serve as learning experiences. I appreciate the thoughtful messages I have received from students, alumni, and others as the debate unfolded and I am sorry about the considerable pain many members of our community have felt during these discussions.


7 Responses

  1. I think the problem is that taking a political stance is just too costly in NUS. I think several years back NUSSU tried to “protest” about the school fee hikes and were apparently reprimanded. If unhappiness over fees can’t motivate students, issues like minority rights have little hope.

    In the US, on the other hand, activism is an integral part of being a student. Structurally, it is easier for them to take collective action.

  2. And considering how the law minister is to get more powers in admitting lawyers, and Section 377 is still not repealed, it’s not hard to imagine the lawyers that make up our “judicial” system.

    Let the NYU students be an inspiration to us, students or non-students, legal eagles or not.

  3. Increased connectivity did not make the difference here, although the students (good job, Ryan!) probably used the Internet to do a thorough background check on Thio.

    It was a revolution of the spirit – the students banded together for a change.

    It was the desire to see change, the courage to take action and the patience to see it through.

    What do our NUS students lack? Internet?

  4. I was so relieved when I read this in the NYT yesterday.

    1. I’m glad that student blogs/emails and online interventions have been able to present a clearer picture of people like Dr. Thio. Without internet surveillance, Dr. Thio’s true nature would have never been revealed.

    2. I’m also glad that the students at NYU have the choice to choose to not listen to someone who has so little to contribute to the equality of human rights.

    This episode really goes to show how cybernetic connectivity can really give voices to the people who matter, and keep an eye out on those who are out of line.

  5. A big question looms in sight: what kind of values and bias is Thio Li-Ann advocating and teaching in law classes in NUS, especially when she specialises in “human rights in Asia”, among other things? It appears that she places her Christian values above all other factors — and isn’t religion the very factor behind most of the wars and human rights violations the world over?

    The fact that she can keep her job has several implications:
    1. What kind of university is it that would allow a person with strong discriminatory views to teach a subject like human rights?

    2. Why aren’t the law students in NUS expressing their views the way the American students did?

    If one of the answers for the above questions is: “What can they do?”. Then, I’m very worried about the lawyers, judicial system and ‘democracy’ that we have in place!

  6. I spearheaded the campaign against Thio at NYU, and was quoted in today’s New York Times article. Because pretty much all of my comments were edited out, here is my take on the situation, and the Dean’s response.

    This is not an issue of academic freedom, because Thio took actions in the Parliament of Singamore that oppressed the LGBT community. Many students and alumni of NYU consider her a human rights violator, and we believe international human rights organizations such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch would agree. By inviting her to NYU, the administration
    provided a human rights violator with tacit approval by a United States university that her views are within the bounds of academic freedom. We do not believe NYU would have considered her actions to be within the bounds of academic freedom if they had the effect of oppressing racial or religious minorities.

    While NYU has historically been at the forefront of the LGBT rights movement, many of us are concerned that the law school treated this situation in a manner that is a step backwards. We are concerned how it will affect recruiting of LGBT students, and we are concerned how it will affect financial support from alumni.

    Finally, while the Dean stated that “the value of the global program would be diminished if the visiting scholars all thought of difficult legal issues–including issues of sexual morality–in the same way,” we cannot comprehend what value there is in inviting a human rights violator to teach a course in human rights. He stated “We can learn from these visitors, and–we hope–they can learn from us.” I take issue with his statement that we can learn from a professor like Thio. For one, he is not a student, and
    as a student I have no desire to debate with a professor who believes that LGBT individuals do not deserve human rights because their mere existence is a moral wrong. The human rights academic community is long past this

    Ryan Golden
    NYU Law Class of 2011

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