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		<title>By: A bit of rambling on the AWARE saga &#171; Tipped Ear Clan</title>
		<link>http://ovidiayu.wordpress.com/2008/11/29/what-id-like-from-dbs/#comment-1012</link>
		<dc:creator>A bit of rambling on the AWARE saga &#171; Tipped Ear Clan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the ilk of Thio Su Mein are involved, alarm bells must ring. Then I read that the DBS tie-up with Focus on the Family was under the aupices of Josie Lau, new AWARE president in her capacity as DBS&#8217; head of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the ilk of Thio Su Mein are involved, alarm bells must ring. Then I read that the DBS tie-up with Focus on the Family was under the aupices of Josie Lau, new AWARE president in her capacity as DBS&#8217; head of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Raleigh</title>
		<link>http://ovidiayu.wordpress.com/2008/11/29/what-id-like-from-dbs/#comment-715</link>
		<dc:creator>Raleigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 04:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DBS is only leaving the name FotF off the advertisements, the money is still going to them. This is completely and utterly unacceptable to me and I feel it makes this situation even worse, as it seems as if they&#039;re trying to deceive us just to placate us, with no intention to remedy the situation. So no, I won&#039;t be giving them a break.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DBS is only leaving the name FotF off the advertisements, the money is still going to them. This is completely and utterly unacceptable to me and I feel it makes this situation even worse, as it seems as if they&#8217;re trying to deceive us just to placate us, with no intention to remedy the situation. So no, I won&#8217;t be giving them a break.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://ovidiayu.wordpress.com/2008/11/29/what-id-like-from-dbs/#comment-714</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DBS, as a profit-making organisation, will never expect such a uproar from the masses, especially the LGBT community at large. 

Honestly, judging from what I had seen in DBS campaign phamplets earlier, I had the impression that FotF is just another charity that focus mainly on the family... and nothing else. But I never expect FotF to be &quot;intolerant&quot; towards many aspects of life, which was only &quot;made known&quot; to me after seeing so many blog entries and web references. And as a layman like most of the other side of the percentile of the masses, I believe that this is purely an oversight that DBS may had made.

Perhaps, DBS would only like to garner positive publicity by funding and sponsoring a &quot;pro-family&quot; charity and showing to the public that it has exercise responsibility, albeit corporate-wise or social-wise during this festive season, especially after it has recieved bad press from, no less, the Mini Bonds and retrenchment saga.

Let&#039;s put it in this manner. If another bank or corporation supports a charity in the name of corporate responsibility, but the charity also has the same ideology as FotF, would you go to the extend of boycotting the company? You may boycott, forsure. But yet again, I guess the company will try it&#039;s best to do some form of damage control to reduce the &quot;pain&quot; inflicted. 

So guys, let&#039;s give them, and yourselves a break, especially since DBS has already decided to drop the campaign.

Nonetheless, after writing so many stuffs, I had still ended my 15 year banking relationship with the bank in the end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DBS, as a profit-making organisation, will never expect such a uproar from the masses, especially the LGBT community at large. </p>
<p>Honestly, judging from what I had seen in DBS campaign phamplets earlier, I had the impression that FotF is just another charity that focus mainly on the family&#8230; and nothing else. But I never expect FotF to be &#8220;intolerant&#8221; towards many aspects of life, which was only &#8220;made known&#8221; to me after seeing so many blog entries and web references. And as a layman like most of the other side of the percentile of the masses, I believe that this is purely an oversight that DBS may had made.</p>
<p>Perhaps, DBS would only like to garner positive publicity by funding and sponsoring a &#8220;pro-family&#8221; charity and showing to the public that it has exercise responsibility, albeit corporate-wise or social-wise during this festive season, especially after it has recieved bad press from, no less, the Mini Bonds and retrenchment saga.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s put it in this manner. If another bank or corporation supports a charity in the name of corporate responsibility, but the charity also has the same ideology as FotF, would you go to the extend of boycotting the company? You may boycott, forsure. But yet again, I guess the company will try it&#8217;s best to do some form of damage control to reduce the &#8220;pain&#8221; inflicted. </p>
<p>So guys, let&#8217;s give them, and yourselves a break, especially since DBS has already decided to drop the campaign.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, after writing so many stuffs, I had still ended my 15 year banking relationship with the bank in the end.</p>
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		<title>By: Bas</title>
		<link>http://ovidiayu.wordpress.com/2008/11/29/what-id-like-from-dbs/#comment-701</link>
		<dc:creator>Bas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 09:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I may have some strong views as many do about whether DBS was right to support FOTF, I am just a little concerned about the intolerance of many of us who are against those who are intolerant. While they may believe things we might not agree with ourselves, we must be careful not to be seen by others as being more intolerant of them than they are of us. That would make us hypocrites and I am not comfortable with that, no matter if we win or not. 

If we are truly tolerant and free, then the high ground for us should to live as we believe and say what we believe without the need to resort to threats of boycott, name calling or nit picking. Having walked this journey for a while now, I believe there is a need for a higher response than the usual indignation and cries of victimization. There is no victory in this case no matter the outcome for we have already placed ourselves under their accusation and are living under it&#039;s weight. 

Let&#039;s truly be tolerant or not claim to be. For we shall prevail if our cause is just. True joy and freedom to all :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I may have some strong views as many do about whether DBS was right to support FOTF, I am just a little concerned about the intolerance of many of us who are against those who are intolerant. While they may believe things we might not agree with ourselves, we must be careful not to be seen by others as being more intolerant of them than they are of us. That would make us hypocrites and I am not comfortable with that, no matter if we win or not. </p>
<p>If we are truly tolerant and free, then the high ground for us should to live as we believe and say what we believe without the need to resort to threats of boycott, name calling or nit picking. Having walked this journey for a while now, I believe there is a need for a higher response than the usual indignation and cries of victimization. There is no victory in this case no matter the outcome for we have already placed ourselves under their accusation and are living under it&#8217;s weight. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s truly be tolerant or not claim to be. For we shall prevail if our cause is just. True joy and freedom to all <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mong</title>
		<link>http://ovidiayu.wordpress.com/2008/11/29/what-id-like-from-dbs/#comment-700</link>
		<dc:creator>Mong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am dismayed that DBS is still supporting FOTF&#039;s Learning Centre- no doubt, a breeding ground for  intolerant closed minded bogots. I will have no part of this. I have cancelled by DBS treasures Amex card and will not hesitate to close down my Treasures Account should DBS  continue to lean this way.

Singapore, or the world for that matter has no room for intolerance and bigotry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am dismayed that DBS is still supporting FOTF&#8217;s Learning Centre- no doubt, a breeding ground for  intolerant closed minded bogots. I will have no part of this. I have cancelled by DBS treasures Amex card and will not hesitate to close down my Treasures Account should DBS  continue to lean this way.</p>
<p>Singapore, or the world for that matter has no room for intolerance and bigotry.</p>
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		<title>By: Ovidia</title>
		<link>http://ovidiayu.wordpress.com/2008/11/29/what-id-like-from-dbs/#comment-697</link>
		<dc:creator>Ovidia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheap T, If you&#039;re talking to me, I was responding to Nick D implying AFA &quot;focussed (sic) more on AIDS&quot; to get &quot;lots of credibility and traction&quot;. He (or she) seems to believe that AFA is an organisation created with the aim of &quot;pushing the gay agenda strongly&quot;.

And I was trying very very hard not to be rude to him so that may be why my answer came out prim &amp; fuzzy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheap T, If you&#8217;re talking to me, I was responding to Nick D implying AFA &#8220;focussed (sic) more on AIDS&#8221; to get &#8220;lots of credibility and traction&#8221;. He (or she) seems to believe that AFA is an organisation created with the aim of &#8220;pushing the gay agenda strongly&#8221;.</p>
<p>And I was trying very very hard not to be rude to him so that may be why my answer came out prim &amp; fuzzy!</p>
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		<title>By: Cheap Tickets for All Events</title>
		<link>http://ovidiayu.wordpress.com/2008/11/29/what-id-like-from-dbs/#comment-695</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheap Tickets for All Events</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didnt understand your point action for aids?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didnt understand your point action for aids?</p>
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		<title>By: Ovidia</title>
		<link>http://ovidiayu.wordpress.com/2008/11/29/what-id-like-from-dbs/#comment-691</link>
		<dc:creator>Ovidia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Nick, I don&#039;t understand your point--&#039;Action For Aids&#039; is focused on AIDS efforts because that is why it exists, not for &#039;credibility&#039; or &#039;traction&#039;. Gay men were considered &#039;high risk&#039; so that was the primary focus but as you may be aware, a majority of AIDS patients are heterosexual men so that is the focus now. 

They were never &#039;pushing the gay agenda&#039; strongly or otherwise. 
If you have that perception it&#039;s probably due to the &#039;government conditioning&#039; that thinks sex education is summed up by saying &#039;abstinence&#039;.

Recent faults of FOTF Singapore? I can point them out.
For a start, the school talks where they present false &amp; misleading information? Where they get in disguised as &#039;education&#039; but present their fundamentalist right wing Christian views?

I personally believe they are doing more to harm than help Singapore families. The family-friendly initiatives you describe are designed to make every family fit into their ideal template no matter how different people are or how much it hurts individual family members or relationships.

But I would not &#039;take it out&#039; on them &amp; their supporters--I&#039;m all for allowing them to exist in peace as long as they stay away from me &amp; my family. 
However I will not give my money or my support to any organisation that supports them because I would then be supporting the evil I believe they are perpetrating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nick, I don&#8217;t understand your point&#8211;&#8217;Action For Aids&#8217; is focused on AIDS efforts because that is why it exists, not for &#8216;credibility&#8217; or &#8216;traction&#8217;. Gay men were considered &#8216;high risk&#8217; so that was the primary focus but as you may be aware, a majority of AIDS patients are heterosexual men so that is the focus now. </p>
<p>They were never &#8216;pushing the gay agenda&#8217; strongly or otherwise.<br />
If you have that perception it&#8217;s probably due to the &#8216;government conditioning&#8217; that thinks sex education is summed up by saying &#8216;abstinence&#8217;.</p>
<p>Recent faults of FOTF Singapore? I can point them out.<br />
For a start, the school talks where they present false &amp; misleading information? Where they get in disguised as &#8216;education&#8217; but present their fundamentalist right wing Christian views?</p>
<p>I personally believe they are doing more to harm than help Singapore families. The family-friendly initiatives you describe are designed to make every family fit into their ideal template no matter how different people are or how much it hurts individual family members or relationships.</p>
<p>But I would not &#8216;take it out&#8217; on them &amp; their supporters&#8211;I&#8217;m all for allowing them to exist in peace as long as they stay away from me &amp; my family.<br />
However I will not give my money or my support to any organisation that supports them because I would then be supporting the evil I believe they are perpetrating.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick D</title>
		<link>http://ovidiayu.wordpress.com/2008/11/29/what-id-like-from-dbs/#comment-690</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember the days when AFA used to be an organisation very closely linked to the gay movement, and if you look at them these days, they are focussed more on AIDS efforts than anything else, and that has gotten them lots of credibility and traction. I think this is a result of the government conditoning one gets in Singapore. Imagine if they were still pushing the gay agenda strongly (not a wrong thing, by the way, but not their &#039;core business&#039;)....

Similarly, I don&#039;t think anyone can point out any recent faults of FOTF Singapore. The &#039;sins of the father&#039; aside, FOTF SG itself looks like they&#039;re more focussed on their &#039;core business&#039; of building family-friendly initiatives these days. So if they&#039;re doing charitable work, why are we taking it out on them and their supporters?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember the days when AFA used to be an organisation very closely linked to the gay movement, and if you look at them these days, they are focussed more on AIDS efforts than anything else, and that has gotten them lots of credibility and traction. I think this is a result of the government conditoning one gets in Singapore. Imagine if they were still pushing the gay agenda strongly (not a wrong thing, by the way, but not their &#8216;core business&#8217;)&#8230;.</p>
<p>Similarly, I don&#8217;t think anyone can point out any recent faults of FOTF Singapore. The &#8217;sins of the father&#8217; aside, FOTF SG itself looks like they&#8217;re more focussed on their &#8216;core business&#8217; of building family-friendly initiatives these days. So if they&#8217;re doing charitable work, why are we taking it out on them and their supporters?</p>
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		<title>By: thingso</title>
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		<dc:creator>thingso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 02:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok loh. My donations happen to have been vouched overseas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok loh. My donations happen to have been vouched overseas.</p>
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